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Re: Is This REALLY Neccessary?
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2011, 07:33:43 pm »
the build in audio-surf browser is web-kit based so chrome like,

reason why chrome, Opera and maybe IE9 seem so fast on the audiosurf scores site is because that site is very JavaScript heavy, and all both chrome and opera have very good and fast java script engines.

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Re: Is This REALLY Neccessary?
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2011, 10:16:54 pm »
Will it go anywhere but Audio-Surf?

Probably not, but then, I never even thought to try (if there's an address window, that is).





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Re: Is This REALLY Neccessary?
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2011, 10:32:06 pm »
Well obviously you CAN use it as a web browser, but it's no where near as convenient as Ie, FF, chrome, etc.

You can also use the steam browser to browse websites (shift+tab in game).

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Re: Is This REALLY Neccessary?
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2011, 03:27:40 am »
I've used firefox for almost 10 years now, I love it too much, it's all personal preferences.
Also firefox 4 is a lot faster than the older firefox if you haven't tried it since then.

FF8 is out now, which has quite the speed change again.

As to your advisement about privacy concerns in Chrome (phoning home, etc.)

If you don't mind everything you being logged by Google, which is no doubt used for generating ads. I don't like people following me, even if it is just my boring day to day activities, it's my life and not theirs. (Adblock + NoScript wtf)

I've heard that Chrome opens a new process for each tab, so that probably explains the resource appetite you mentioned.

Indeed that is what I was on about. A tab per process is not a bad idea, just a very bloated idea. I don't tend to use two tabs at the same time so having them render realtime is a little ott. The advertisement said that if one tab crashes you don't lose the rest, though sounds like a dig at Adobe for Flash that anything else to me. Firefox runs addons etc in a separate thread and can restart things like Flash if they crash, without the unnecessary bloat on your RAM.

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Maybe browser performance tests should be another thread (yet again).

Well obviously you CAN use it as a web browser, but it's no where near as convenient as Ie, FF, chrome, etc.

You can also use the steam browser to browse websites (shift+tab in game).

The Steam browser is the same as the AS browser btw ;)
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Re: Is This REALLY Neccessary?
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2011, 06:10:32 am »
I think most things have been covered by others, just a few notes:
For standard browsing there is little to no difference between IE9, FF, Chrome or Opera. I use all of them to varying degrees depending on what I'm doing.
This means that for the most part, it's purely personal preference.

For me, I've been using Chrome mostly in the last couple of years, with FF and Opera installed for other uses.
However Chrome recently removed their 'experimental' side-tabs option and I personally hate using tabs across the top. It's a bloody stupid place to keep them with vertical screen space so sparse and horizontal in plenty (look at those lovely wide borders on the left and right, keep the tabs there instead ;)).
So I'm back on Firefox (which I used since it was v0.2 and called 'firebird' right up until I switched to Chrome) with the "Tree style tab" add-on that puts the tabs on the left in a nice format.
Opera I tend to keep with specific tabs open for coding or I use it when I have a game open because I don't want to open my 'main' browser as I have so many tabs open that Windows' terrible memory management causes the machine to become very sluggish.

What do they excel at? Well, Opera has a lot of additional tools, has side tabs and plugin blocking built in. Firefox has the biggest range of add-ons with the most important being noscript and flashblock (I sort of include adblock+ in here, but I'm not using it atm, but that's another story) which make the browser far more secure than any other when used properly. Chrome has the smoothest UI and a nice range of add-ons, blocks plugins natively as well. Firefox, Opera and IE all have significant delays when navigating around tabs etc, this is due to the way the programs work internally. Chrome's multi-process method means everything feels much smoother (although it's not rendering pages any quicker) but you pay a premium in resources for that.
So yeah, you pick the one that works best for you out of those 4.
Quick note on Safari: It's Chrome without the add-ons and with an Apple UI forced on it. If that's your thing then go for it. It isn't mine as I find the Apple UI hideous to look at, unintuitive to use and Chrome uses the same engine with a smoother UI and better add-on support.

Beyond normal browsing you can't beat Chrome though. It supports both WebGL and has its new 'native client' technology (Bastion in a web browser. No, really).
Behind that you have Firefox which has WebGL support.
Then Opera which has just all round good support across the board with HTML5.
IE9 comes last in this case with minimal HTML5 support, but at least it mostly works with XHTML and HTML4 these days.

IE8... Don't make me laugh, it's not even in the same class.

As a final note for Chrome, if you're worried about google tracking everything, there is the open source version that has all the Google extras removed called Chromium. This is actually the build that Audiosurf uses (albeit through the awesomium framework).

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Re: Is This REALLY Neccessary?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2011, 06:50:54 am »
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FF8 is out now, which has quite the speed change again.
Yeah, I'm using ff8, but since ff4 it has been a lot faster
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Firefox has the biggest range of add-ons with the most important being noscript and flashblock
yes, noscript is sweet, and protects my browsers innocence. :)
« Last Edit: December 19, 2011, 06:54:59 am by NovaTerran »

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Re: Is This REALLY Neccessary?
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2011, 10:53:37 am »
I've used firefox for almost 10 years now, I love it too much, it's all personal preferences.
Also firefox 4 is a lot faster than the older firefox if you haven't tried it since then.

FF8 is out now, which has quite the speed change again.

People say this, but I don't see it. If I hadn't been forced to upgrade I'd have stuck with FF 3.6.whatever that doesn't take a full minute to get started.

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Re: Is This REALLY Neccessary?
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2011, 01:39:15 pm »
People say this, but I don't see it. If I hadn't been forced to upgrade I'd have stuck with FF 3.6.whatever that doesn't take a full minute to get started.

The speed change is to do with the Javascript engine (trace monkey and jager monkey). The engine compiles JS code into assembly which executes a lot faster. This gives a speed boost to JS heavy sites, particularly ones where iterative loops occur.

All (decent) browsers do this now anyway, under different engine names. If you run a Javascript heavy site on an old version versus a more recent version you'll definitely see the speed increase.
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Re: Is This REALLY Neccessary?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2011, 02:27:26 pm »
People say this, but I don't see it. If I hadn't been forced to upgrade I'd have stuck with FF 3.6.whatever that doesn't take a full minute to get started.

Steam powered computer? :P
In all seriousness, if your browser is taking a minute to start then there's an issue with your system somewhere or your PC is seriously underpowered. Even my parents' vastly under-powered 1.6GHz P4 Dual Core doesn't take a minute to start a browser. :-\ (takes it a minute to do just about anything else though)

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Re: Is This REALLY Neccessary?
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2011, 04:31:46 pm »
I've used firefox for almost 10 years now, I love it too much, it's all personal preferences.
Also firefox 4 is a lot faster than the older firefox if you haven't tried it since then.

FF8 is out now, which has quite the speed change again.

People say this, but I don't see it. If I hadn't been forced to upgrade I'd have stuck with FF 3.6.whatever that doesn't take a full minute to get started.
I have no problem with firefox taking a long time to load up, i just started it up and loaded google in ~3 seconds for me.