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Poor Mr Jobs
« on: May 23, 2010, 11:15:22 am »
http://gawker.com/5539717/

I think he needs help. He seems to think that by restricting what you can see/do and hiding the "bad men," he's offering his users more freedom. Seems a bit delusional to me.

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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2010, 02:16:51 pm »
Anyone want to summarize this?

It's 50+ words.
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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2010, 02:29:48 pm »
Anyone want to summarize this?

It's 50+ words.

Guy e-mailed Steve Jobs when he was drunk and saw an iPad advert.

Jobs e-mailed back claiming that his iDevices offer freedom by restricting what you can do with the device and justified it with nonsense market speak such as "freedom from porn".

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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2010, 02:46:56 pm »
Jobs wants to create his own 'free' world were you can only do what he wants you to do.
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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2010, 03:03:54 pm »
Jobs wants to create his own 'free' world were you can only do what he wants you to do.

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I fail to understand what Apple's censorship of apps has to do with freedom from porn.

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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2010, 03:06:39 pm »
Jobs wants to create his own 'free' world were you can only do what he wants you to do.

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I fail to understand why people buy Apple

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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2010, 04:43:51 pm »
Sounds more like Jobs was drunk than the guy who e-mailed him, Jobs has less coherence.
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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 05:19:15 pm »
Sounds more like Jobs was drunk than the guy who e-mailed him, Jobs has less coherence.
It is a possibility.

Thing is, Apple does well because it's seen as "cool", not for any technical merit. The direction they're taking the iPhone/iPad OS is starting to lose them that coolness. It's all but gone in the IT world already where most folk are power users, and you can't be a power user on a device with such hefty limitations.
The more they clamp down, the more they'll erode their customer base until they hit a tipping point where they end up losing massive amounts of sales.
I suspect that tipping point will either be if they start enforcing a site-by-site blacklist on the devices (which might be too much, even for Jobs) or if they initiate this absolutely ridiculous advert plan they've cooked up where you're forced to pay attention to an advert to make it go away, with the advert interrupting whatever you're doing at the time.

I don't want to see them make these mistakes, as competition is good, the customer wins out with it, but right now, there's not been any innovation in the iPhone OS since it's release, which Android overtook with the mass release of 1.5 last summer and has improved upon with every release.
2.2 just blows Apple away. Things like an iTunes-a-like that works in any browser that will have your phone auto-download over wireless from the internet any app or song you download. No additional software required. There's been decent voice recognition since 2.1, with improvements to that in 2.2 that works for any text box on the phone. Something like Google goggles is just a dream on the iPhone.
That's without getting into the UI stuff like widgets. Really, there's no competition on a technical front and from a new user's perspective they're both identically easy to learn to use, so as soon as Apple loses the "cool" factor they're toast.

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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2010, 05:35:50 pm »
Sounds more like Jobs was drunk than the guy who e-mailed him, Jobs has less coherence.
It is a possibility.

Thing is, Apple does well because it's seen as "cool", not for any technical merit. The direction they're taking the iPhone/iPad OS is starting to lose them that coolness. It's all but gone in the IT world already where most folk are power users, and you can't be a power user on a device with such hefty limitations.
The more they clamp down, the more they'll erode their customer base until they hit a tipping point where they end up losing massive amounts of sales.
I suspect that tipping point will either be if they start enforcing a site-by-site blacklist on the devices (which might be too much, even for Jobs) or if they initiate this absolutely ridiculous advert plan they've cooked up where you're forced to pay attention to an advert to make it go away, with the advert interrupting whatever you're doing at the time.

I don't want to see them make these mistakes, as competition is good, the customer wins out with it, but right now, there's not been any innovation in the iPhone OS since it's release, which Android overtook with the mass release of 1.5 last summer and has improved upon with every release.
2.2 just blows Apple away. Things like an iTunes-a-like that works in any browser that will have your phone auto-download over wireless from the internet any app or song you download. No additional software required. There's been decent voice recognition since 2.1, with improvements to that in 2.2 that works for any text box on the phone. Something like Google goggles is just a dream on the iPhone.
That's without getting into the UI stuff like widgets. Really, there's no competition on a technical front and from a new user's perspective they're both identically easy to learn to use, so as soon as Apple loses the "cool" factor they're toast.

very much agreed and i find there even starting to piss off most of the creative industries that use almost exclusively macs like music production and design. which will really screw them since that is there biggest market.

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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 01:53:10 am »
Sounds more like Jobs was drunk than the guy who e-mailed him, Jobs has less coherence.
It is a possibility.

Thing is, Apple does well because it's seen as "cool", not for any technical merit. The direction they're taking the iPhone/iPad OS is starting to lose them that coolness.
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very much agreed and i find there even starting to piss off most of the creative industries that use almost exclusively macs like music production and design. which will really screw them since that is there biggest market.

Jobs has done a good job of pissing off Adobe, which has a huge user base for it's image and film editing software. If Adobe carries out it's threat of leaving the OSX platform that'll be a large chunk of people who don't have a need for a mac.

I do however agree with Apple being good for competition, even MS bailed them out once before to maintain competition.
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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2010, 06:45:15 am »
Sounds more like Jobs was drunk than the guy who e-mailed him, Jobs has less coherence.
It is a possibility.

Thing is, Apple does well because it's seen as "cool", not for any technical merit. The direction they're taking the iPhone/iPad OS is starting to lose them that coolness.
-snip-

very much agreed and i find there even starting to piss off most of the creative industries that use almost exclusively macs like music production and design. which will really screw them since that is there biggest market.

Jobs has done a good job of pissing off Adobe, which has a huge user base for it's image and film editing software. If Adobe carries out it's threat of leaving the OSX platform that'll be a large chunk of people who don't have a need for a mac.

I do however agree with Apple being good for competition, even MS bailed them out once before to maintain competition.

yes but apple and ms have a weird relationship, they are direct competitors but neither one would have made it with out the other.

ms started by making the very much needed software for early macs before ms had there own OS

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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2010, 07:03:55 am »
MS bailed Apple out to prevent the US government dropping on it like a ton of bricks for being a total monopoly, as it would have been at the time (Linux was still too young and every other OS was strictly server-orientated). If it weren't for the legal implications of not having competition I don't think they would have done.

But that's a bit beside the point, even if Apple disappear, there are notable other competitors: RIM are still technically market leaders with Blackberrys for example, although they haven't really done much on the new front and Symbian still has a large market share, Palm havve their new OS that debuted on the Pre. Few others.

But RIM have the support because neither Android or the iPhone are suitable from a business perspective (this may change with Android 2.2 as there's better Exchange support, and with it being so heavily customisable and open source it's just a matter of time before someone releases a 'business' version of Android) with Blackberry's being less useful for more consumer orientated pursuits (RIM have moved towards this in recent models, but they're trying to not alienate their business customers at the same time, so have compromises atm).
The others don't have the same market power really. If Nokia properly backed one they'd gain it, but it seems content to do a different thing with every phone still.
It's an interesting market anyway. In some ways I guess it's akin to the 80s and 90s microcomputer market when Amiga, Atari and a handful of others were about, each with their own followers who liked that device for their own reasons (some sane, some not so).
Losing Apple would be like losing the Amiga I guess. Although it pains me to use that comparison since the Amiga was a far better device. ;)

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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2010, 08:05:09 am »
Losing Apple would be like losing the Amiga I guess.

Not sorely missed then.


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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2010, 02:00:03 pm »
Sounds more like Jobs was drunk than the guy who e-mailed him, Jobs has less coherence.
It is a possibility.

Thing is, Apple does well because it's seen as "cool", not for any technical merit.
Hey now, I can agree with you about the iPhone and iPad, but the iPods are pretty nice now that Toshiba dropped out.  At least, the classic series is.
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Re: Poor Mr Jobs
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2010, 02:14:34 pm »
Hey now, I can agree with you about the iPhone and iPad, but the iPods are pretty nice now that Toshiba dropped out.  At least, the classic series is.

I've not checked their price recently, but they used to be priced much higher than technically superior models (more file formats and/or more space), coupled with effectively being forced into iTunes made them a bit of a dodgy product imo.

However, I was talking about the iPod Touches mostly here, which have zero battery life and all the iPhone OS issues as well.
Will have to try that Android-on-iPhone thing on my iPod Touch at some point.