What's with Vegas?

[0VERS33R]

Let's take a random stroll through the scoreboards.... Oooh, look! Pusher's first in this one. Vegas takes first place in this one. Pusher again. Eraser now! That must be me. Mono's first in this one, not many people have played it. Point is, if it were really THAT overpowered there would be no-other than Vegas at the top of the leaderboard. It's, 1, luck based and 2, harder to hold a chain. IMO (thanks Hammer) if you don't like it, either get good at it to beat everyone or get good at something else to beat vegas.

[blue_h3x]

When were those pusher scores set? and how many played vegas? Mono as throne, it's not that popular then. I can link you many a song dominated by vegas

[dschallert]

Let's take a random stroll through the scoreboards.... Oooh, look! Pusher's first in this one. Vegas takes first place in this one. Pusher again. Eraser now! That must be me. Mono's first in this one, not many people have played it. Point is, if it were really THAT overpowered there would be no-other than Vegas at the top of the leaderboard.

I'm not so sure you mean "Random" at all. Random would be using a randomly generated number to select a song from the scoreboards. Somehow I don't think you did that, but instead chose a few songs that you have played, which are anything but random.

And that's not pertinent to the debate anyway -- the topic is whether the different character modes can achieve equal scores given equal skill levels and equal number of runs. This is most measurable on songs played by a large number of players multiple times -- take Radio, for example. Have you glanced through the scoreboards for the last few weeks? Vegas, vegas, vegas, vegas, vegas.... This week is somewhat of an exception because the high traffic enables DVP to score very well (it is slightly overpowered too, perhaps, but that is another topic.)

It's, 1, luck based and 2, harder to hold a chain. IMO (thanks Hammer) if you don't like it, either get good at it to beat everyone or get good at something else to beat vegas.

Many players like Audiosurf for the variety of play-styles possible through the different characters. If Vegas was the only mode that people were supposed to play, Dylan wouldn't have bothered including the rest. So please do not act like everyone else should conform to your preferences. Furthermore, "getting good" at other character modes is almost never enough to beat the severely overpowered Vegas. Even luck isn't enough, since Vegas has much higher scoring potential given enough patience for a run with several red paints and high multipliers.

[0VERS33R]

the topic is whether the different character modes can achieve equal scores given equal skill levels and equal number of runs.

That, to me, seems what the topic turned into. Although what I've been trying to say is that, in my experience of play, I don't see it to be overpowered. However, it still happens to top a lot of songs by a margin higher of that than just lucky paint. And I asked "What's with that?". How come I can't get those sorts of scores with Vegas yet it's still up there. Although, I think my question's been answered. It's an overpowered class that I (and many others I know) happen to be crap with.

Oh, and when I said a stroll through the scoreboards, I was speaking entirely metophorically.

[blue_h3x]

http://www.audio-surf.com/song.php#3242
Vegas, vegas, vegas....

[0VERS33R]

Point taken. You'd need a pretty lucky run from something for anything to be worth it, and if we're playing on luck, we might as well play vegas....

[Lethargy]

How come I can't get those sorts of scores with Vegas yet it's still up there. Although, I think my question's been answered. It's an overpowered class that I (and many others I know) happen to be crap with.

It's probably not so much that you're bad with it as that you aren't playing the same song over, and over, and over. There isn't really a whole lot to Vegas - it simply doesn't give players enough control for there to be, and as has been said before, what there is in many cases has little effect on the end score.

[Melodia]

Of course, this is supposed to be a fun casual game, so perhaps not being forced to play the same thing over and over is a GOOD thing...

[dschallert]

Of course, this is supposed to be a fun casual game, so perhaps not being forced to play the same thing over and over is a GOOD thing...

Another reason to nerficate Vegas. It's the "spray and pray" of Audiosurf.

[Passerby]

Of course, this is supposed to be a fun casual game, so perhaps not being forced to play the same thing over and over is a GOOD thing...

Another reason to nerficate Vegas. It's the "spray and pray" of Audiosurf.

ya i do agree if you want to compare to a fps vagas is the noob cannon.

but it is not that bad because Vegas doesn't compete on Elite.

[blue_h3x]

Of course, this is supposed to be a fun casual game, so perhaps not being forced to play the same thing over and over is a GOOD thing...

Another reason to nerficate Vegas. It's the "spray and pray" of Audiosurf.

ya i do agree if you want to compare to a fps vagas is the noob cannon.

but it is not that bad because Vegas doesn't compete on Elite.

it's bad for Pro balance though

[WWNSX]

Then why am I so crap in Vegas? =( And what's IMO? One of the few terms I don't know.

Maybe because you just started playing Vegas? Not everybody's going to be great  at any one thing the first time out; you should take your time and play Vegas for a week on every song and see how you do after a week of playing. if it then works for you great if not there are other modes of play some harder then others. Practice makes perfect or at least helps you improve and I think that can apply to all character modes of play in Audiosurf IMO.

Blue_h3X is right; it's extremely easy to overfill in Vegas and you can not rely on the Sort power up since it's been stated that it will not work to 100% efficiency and was never intend as that in the first place.

Blue_h3x's example isn't the best as some of those scores are really old and came before the update Oct 1 2009 when extended stats and the 5x-7x multiplier were added to Vegas and implemented among other tweaks. It doesn't seem like that song has a lot of recent plays on it; only the top 3 scores are from within the last 8 weeks.

Some people maybe more passionate then other on a certain character mode etc so if people are able to discuss things without resorting to name calling and childish behavior why not discuss it? I hope in the future if Vegas is rebalanced that it can be opened up to beta testers like last time and maybe some newer players and all options can be tested out till people think it's fair. I know I'd like to try that but I'm not in charge of who beta tests etc etc.


If you want to get better at Vegas look at the Pointman / Pusher stickies in this forum and try applying some of those strategies to Vegas.

Higher traffic songs 200+ are easier for Vegas and overfills can hurt your score a little while slower traffic songs 175 or below are harder to get higher score and overfills can kill your possibility of getting a high score.

dschallert has made a great IMO video series for using Pointman that explains the strategies while showing them. Yes it's for pointman but like i said earlier try applying them. http://www.audio-surf.com/forum/index.php/topic,5149.0.html

if you want to talk about Double Vision Elite there's already a topic here
http://www.audio-surf.com/forum/index.php/topic,5893.0.html

[Lethargy]

It's also worth considering that Vegas may not be the only mode that got too buffed... the last update was aimed at bringing all of the other modes up to the level of Pointman Pro in the Pro tier, but if you look at the radio songs this week for example, you might note that not a single score on ANY of the scoreboards is Pointman Pro, it seems to me that the other modes were more than "brought up to its level". Seems more like Pointman Pro got crapped on for having an advantage for too long >.<

[0VERS33R]

Just a few ideas to trim down Vegas scores;

• Have it so that the chance of red splash is lower than the chance of yellow splash, which is lower than the chance of blue splash and so-fourth, same for paint,
• Change the clean finish bonus to 20% down from 30%,
• Include an extra colour, grey blocks, that don't match but disappear over time,
• The average score for an 18 block red paint bonus is 30k. Make it so that a randomly generated paint match is worth 10% less that a paint bonus that was on the board,
• Have more colour match bonuses than paint or splash bonuses,
• Have a set number of bonuses throughout a song rather than a bonus every x seconds.

I am just spilling out ideas here, most, if not all of which will probably be ignored. Some of these debuffs may not necessarily reduce the score that a person CAN achieve, but it'll take them much longer to get that score, and if they put that much effort into it, then maybe they deserve the score. But hey, who here agrees with at least one of my ideas?

[Lethargy]

Just a few ideas to trim down Vegas scores;

You may want to check out this thread as well