Something not so funny...

[Mincus]

I'm loving how this section of your post is giving off a slight air of "I think all Americans think this way and we need to do something to get them to fuck off."

Sorry, that wasn't the intent, I'm not trying to flame, just point out that I think what some US officials did was very wrong. Replace the second "US" with "past and present US governments". The "them" is general to whoever got the job and doesn't mean the blanket US population, peruse it again.

Regardless of other issues though, the torture actions are inexcusable. As I said before, I feel it betrays the freedom the US is supposed to stand for.
What's frustrating is that it's all legal under international law due to the past and present US governments not signing certain parts of the Geneva Convention and siting Guantanamo Bay off US soil, effectively allowing them to treat the prisoners as cattle (or worse) and ignore all basic human rights.

Torture by music seems more like a dumbass idea that coincidentally works to me (the article in the Guardian here seems to say it DOES work somewhat). I think we shut down Gitmo. Don't quote me on that (inb4 REBELLIOUS QUOTING LOL).

Yeah, it's an odd idea. I'm not saying no torture will ever work btw, what I'm saying is you can't differentiate between it working and an innocent giving incorrect information to stop the torture.

Pretty sure Gitmo has been closed/is closing as well, but I'm also pretty sure it's not the only camp of its type, it's just the one that got all the media attention. I've heard there's another in North Africa (I forget the country), but that's starting to get into conspiracy theories which often ends up sounding very paranoid.

[BigYeti]

Regardless of other issues though, the torture actions are inexcusable. As I said before, I feel it betrays the freedom the US is supposed to stand for.
What's frustrating is that it's all legal under international law due to the US not signing certain parts of the Geneva Convention and siting Guantanamo Bay off US soil, effectively allowing them to treat the prisoners as cattle (or worse) and ignore all basic human rights.

I'm loving how this section of your post is giving off a slight air of "I think all Americans think this way and we need to do something to get them to fuck off."

His post didn't feel that way to me.  I think you're projecting.

[lavacano201014]

His post didn't feel that way to me.  I think you're projecting.

I think I'm extra-sensitive to slight airs. I pick up slight airs noone else does, as such, even if I was right (and knowing Mincus, his post saying "Wasn't intended" isn't a lie), I get screamed at for it (not saying YOU were screaming).

[BigYeti]

So what you're saying is that you're more intelligent and observant than everyone else here and we're all wrong because you noticed a tone that none of us did in his post?

I think you're just projecting, dude.

[lavacano201014]

So what you're saying is that you're more intelligent and observant than everyone else here and we're all wrong because you noticed a tone that none of us did in his post?

So what you're saying is you want to think I'm just egotistical so you can safely disregard any post of mine you don't agree with?

All I said was I pick up slight airs. Even if they aren't intended. It's like you hear more really quiet, strange sounds than anyone else (for example). Sometimes when they're not there. Even if they ARE there, and nobody else hears them in time, people assume you're hearing things.