Something not so funny...

[Lu Tze]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/19/usa.guantanamo

Some musicians, like Metallica, even support it.

[Lavos^]

That's really old. Farmers use music to keep animals off their crops, they use it at airports to keep birds off the runway.

[Laserrobotics]

I really don't see the problem.  If you're in a position to recieve such 'torture', you obviously deserve it or worse.

[xX.` Bugs Bunny]

how is listening 24/7 to metallica torture? it's even better when it's loud! (I love them lol...)

[S.]

I really don't see the problem.  If you're in a position to recieve such 'torture', you obviously deserve it or worse.

If later it proves that you haven't done anything wrong, youre tortured for nothing. But I had this discussion at school once too, and discussions about this subject suck.

I'm not going to protect my opinion. In fact, I'm not even going to say it.

[Mincus]

how is listening 24/7 to metallica torture? it's even better when it's loud! (I love them lol...)

The same song 24/7 ?

If you read the article it seems that the Barney song was one of the more popular. Bleh.

Anyway. All torture is wrong, always. There's no justification for it under any circumstances at all.

[Sensei Le Roof]

how is listening 24/7 to metallica torture? it's even better when it's loud! (I love them lol...)

That depends on what song(s). They have good ones, but they also have too much of the one-note bullshit like "Battery".

[Laserrobotics]

I really don't see the problem.  If you're in a position to recieve such 'torture', you obviously deserve it or worse.

If later it proves that you haven't done anything wrong, youre tortured for nothing. But I had this discussion at school once too, and discussions about this subject suck.

I'm not going to protect my opinion. In fact, I'm not even going to say it.

My point is, they don't use this in jails, where you're there if you just did something wrong.  They use this in places where the people contained are obvious enemies of the nation, people who have been caught and are keeping dangerous secrets.

Plus, though I don't quite believe in guilty until proven innocent, it's usually better to capture a couple people under false charges than to leave a couple dangerous people out there.

[Mincus]

My point is, they don't use this in jails, where you're there if you just did something wrong.  They use this in places where the people contained are obvious enemies of the nation, people who have been caught and are keeping dangerous secrets.

That's not an excuse for torture.
It doesn't work as an interrogation method, that has been proven again and again and again, so, really, the only reason to torture people seems to stem from a sadistic tendency.

Sure, keep them locked up away from the public if you have evidence, but anything else is, to me, a betrayal of the very freedoms the US allegedly stands for.

[Laserrobotics]

It doesn't work as an interrogation method, that has been proven again and again and again

If you can give me reasonable proof in the form of a link, I will accept your point.

[Aneurysm]

It doesn't work as an interrogation method, that has been proven again and again and again

If you can give me reasonable proof in the form of a link, I will accept your point.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5510818

Well, I'm not claiming this is reasonable proof. Just the first thing that came up with google

[Passerby]

i have to agree with Mincus it is not a method to get info or the truth from someone it is just sadistic and also if you use the same language that the interrogators are using, there are saying that they want to break the prisoners mind and moral to the point where they would say anything.

this is no better than what they were doing before at theses camps and it seems if there is public outcry again the fucking Americans will just move on to the next equally bad form of torture.

oh and what is this war oh "The War On Terror" the Americans play the terrorists just as well as any other. terrorist group.

[BigYeti]

I really don't see the problem.  If you're in a position to recieve such 'torture', you obviously deserve it or worse.

The problem is that since G-bay is outside the US, Habeus Corpus doesn't apply to the inmates.  People can be there for years without even seeing a lawyer or judge.

So really, it's someone's word that they deserve it. 

I'm not saying there aren't a good number of despicable people locked up there...but it's never 100% black and white.

[Mincus]

i have to agree with Mincus it is not a method to get info or the truth from someone it is just sadistic and also if you use the same language that the interrogators are using, there are saying that they want to break the prisoners mind and moral to the point where they would say anything.

This was my point. I thought it was widely known that it's impossible to differentiate between someone saying anything to stop the torture (false positive) and them beign guilty and spilling useful information. Apparently it's not.

this is no better than what they were doing before at theses camps and it seems if there is public outcry again the fucking Americans will just move on to the next equally bad form of torture.

oh and what is this war oh "The War On Terror" the Americans play the terrorists just as well as any other. terrorist group.

I didn't want to turn this into a "hate on the US" thread. I do agree they've done some despicable things and are highly hypocritical with the whole terrorist stuff (take a look at the amount of funding received from the US by the IRA -- Irish Republican Army -- when they were planting bombs in London in the 70s through to the 90s).

Regardless of other issues though, the torture actions are inexcusable. As I said before, I feel it betrays the freedom the US is supposed to stand for.
What's frustrating is that it's all legal under international law due to the US not signing certain parts of the Geneva Convention and siting Guantanamo Bay off US soil, effectively allowing them to treat the prisoners as cattle (or worse) and ignore all basic human rights.

[lavacano201014]

Regardless of other issues though, the torture actions are inexcusable. As I said before, I feel it betrays the freedom the US is supposed to stand for.
What's frustrating is that it's all legal under international law due to the US not signing certain parts of the Geneva Convention and siting Guantanamo Bay off US soil, effectively allowing them to treat the prisoners as cattle (or worse) and ignore all basic human rights.

I'm loving how this section of your post is giving off a slight air of "I think all Americans think this way and we need to do something to get them to fuck off."

For the record, 75% of us Ahm-ear-ee-kans are yelling "FUCK YOU ASSHOLES" at the torturers for fucking people up more than they need to. (The other 25% are the rednecks you stereotype every US citizen as. Nobody likes THEM.)

Torture by music seems more like a dumbass idea that coincidentally works to me (the article in the Guardian here seems to say it DOES work somewhat). I think we shut down Gitmo. Don't quote me on that (inb4 REBELLIOUS QUOTING LOL).

The inhumane tortures (like torture is ever humane to begin with) I hear about, and the piece of shit healthcare - that's just a failure to preserve a vital intelligence asset. If we bring them to near death to get info out of them, give them barely enough time and power to recover, then do it again, eventually they die without giving us SHIT. Misery + health, that's the key to a successful, not-going-to-shut-us-down-and-fuck-our-military-career torture.