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drperry

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« on: November 03, 2008, 11:56:50 am »
Just did it Devil_Spawn. For some reason though, they only have bug reports for Vista, which is kind of stupid. But anyway I sent in a report.

They generally don't support older things...
XP is considered outdated... I'm surprised they release XP drivers, to be honest.

Heck, when Vista first came out, nVidia dropped nForce3 chipsets, lol.

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2008, 03:55:13 am »
Just did it Devil_Spawn. For some reason though, they only have bug reports for Vista, which is kind of stupid. But anyway I sent in a report.

They generally don't support older things...
XP is considered outdated... I'm surprised they release XP drivers, to be honest.

Heck, when Vista first came out, nVidia dropped nForce3 chipsets, lol.

XP Is not considered outdated mate that's why Service Pack 3 was released recently, that why most programs work on XP and require addition mucking around on Vista... How dare you say that with no source or anything to back you up.
I tried Vista and hated it beyond words...

Get your facts straight before making a bold statement such as that.

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2008, 04:21:18 am »
XP Is not considered outdated mate that's why Service Pack 3 was released recently, that why most programs work on XP and require addition mucking around on Vista... How dare you say that with no source or anything to back you up.
I tried Vista and hated it beyond words...

Get your facts straight before making a bold statement such as that.

MS keep trying to drop support for XP. Currently the only legal way to get it is to buy Vista then downgrade the key to XP.
Unless you get a machine with very limited specs, in which case XP Home is still supported (EEE machines and the like).

Unsurprisingly MS want to move on. Vista has been a marketing nightmare, but people have very short memories. I remember moving from '98 to XP (I skipped 2k and ME for good reasons) and it got exactly the same comments "too bloated", "everythings moved", "bugs everywhere", "new driver architecture so no drivers" etc, etc.

Personally I use them both extensively and both XP and Vista are dreadful operating systems, I only use them for 2 reasons: software development (Windows as a platform is the biggest marketplace) and gaming (wine just doesn't cut it on a lot of games, Audiosurf being one).

Anyway, bit off topic, my point is that Vista is where people will have to move to, unless they wait for Windows 7, but having looked at the recently leaked pre-beta, it looks near identical to Vista in many ways, so really stop grumbling and get with it. It's not as bad as people make out.

As to the overlay issue, as already stated it's been reported several times (hence me not being too bothered about derailing) and you've had the usual replies.
One thing I'd like to ask is: do you usually run it windowed or was that just to take the screenshots? Does running it fullscreen make a difference?

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2008, 04:28:05 am »

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You make a fair point, however the amount of RAM Vista requires to run is a bit over the top compared to XP. That is why i have continued with XP, because If it's not broken, why fix it?

My mate gets about 55-65fps in Team Fortress 2 on Vista with 8800GTS and 4gb ram..
I get about 50-60 fps and i have 8500GT with 2gb ram and XP Pro SP3.

Vista uses a hell of alot of VRAM to display all the visual crap that i dont care about, doesn't add functionality to the computer so why have it there?
Is there a Vista without all the fancy visual crap? If there is can you point me in the direction please i would be most interested to use Vista without it raping my 2gb ram leaving me with under 750mb free on fucking idle.

Do you really expect me to go out and get a newer, more recent version of something if it requires more resources and does near to exactly the same job as its predecessor? I think not. I'm nowhere near grumbling about it, i'm sticking up for the millions if not billions of people who still use and love XP because there is nothing wrong with it.

/fucking rant

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2008, 04:30:30 am »
I disagree Mincus. I think Vista is going to go the way of 2K and ME.

Wndows 2K was the OS to introduce everything new that appeared in XP from Windows 98, yet it was hardly used or appreciated. And when XP came out just a little bit later, everyone jumped over.

I think it's going to be that way with Windows 7. Vista introduced all new things, and as you said it was a marketing nightmare because they were all new and had to be fixed, and software designers had to start supporting it. I think by the time Windows 7 comes out in 09/10, it will be the same as XP was, everyone will jump up and it'll be a nicer change and a nice OS to use that will tide us over for years until the next-gen one because it's the same platform as Vista just with some changes. It sort of looks like Vista with a Linux frontend.

Anyway, that's just what I think. :P And yes, XP is clearly not dead, I'd wager it's about 50-50 XP-Vista.
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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2008, 04:34:34 am »

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Well said man i agree with that.

Have to wait and see what the future shall bring i guess.

I actually got out my 98SE disc the other day (i know old right?) but it has one special little tool that XP and Vista do not have. Command.com in c:\windows

That gives the "choice" command back in Command Prompt and of coarse Batch Scripts which are still widely used today. :)

Little '98 gem i think :D

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 04:57:04 am »
You make a fair point, however the amount of RAM Vista requires to run is a bit over the top compared to XP. That is why i have continued with XP, because If it's not broken, why fix it?

My mate gets about 55-65fps in Team Fortress 2 on Vista with 8800GTS and 4gb ram..
I get about 50-60 fps and i have 8500GT with 2gb ram and XP Pro SP3.

Vista uses a hell of alot of VRAM to display all the visual crap that i dont care about, doesn't add functionality to the computer so why have it there?
Is there a Vista without all the fancy visual crap? If there is can you point me in the direction please i would be most interested to use Vista without it raping my 2gb ram leaving me with under 750mb free on fucking idle.

Do you really expect me to go out and get a newer, more recent version of something if it requires more resources and does near to exactly the same job as its predecessor? I think not. I'm nowhere near grumbling about it, i'm sticking up for the millions if not billions of people who still use and love XP because there is nothing wrong with it.

/fucking rant

The RAM is again no different to that XP required when it was released.
Most machines were in the 500MHz / 128MB region. XP (with no service packs) runs about the same on such a machine as Vista on a 1GB machine, which was about the average when Vista came out.

Game performance I've not noticed HUGE differences between Vista and XP. There are some, especially when the CPU is tight. I ran Vista for a short time on an Athlon XP 3200+, 1GB DDR RAM, Geforce 6600. XP could run C&C3 at slightly higher settings than Vista before things started lagging noticably, but nothing hugely different. Main difference was chugging the disk when RAM ran out.

The visual "crap" you can switch off entirely. Personally I like some of the additional functionality it provides (thumbnails of windows, using the cursors in alt-tab), admittedly this shouldn't require the resources it does, but well, it's MS, they make bloatware, all their software is bloated. Also, the same complaint was levelled at XP when it was released. But then if you want visual goodies you should be looking at Compiz-Fusion under a *nix variant anyway.
XP 64-bit and Windows Server 2008 use the same kernel as Vista (or should that be Vista and Server 2008 use the same kernel as XP 64?).
They lack the bloat, I've heard Server 2008 can be made into a gaming box, but I've not tried it myself.

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 09:31:00 am »
The visual stuff doesn't really annoy me. What I find frustrating is the level of computer experience Vista thinks I have, which it assumes to be 0. MS tried to make EVERYTHING so simple and easy, that it makes everything frustrating and annoyingly hard to find.

It takes so much tinkering to just get it to shut up and leave me alone to do what I want, I just can't be bothered setting it up.
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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 09:49:18 am »
I have the same problem under XP tbh.

I can't stand the way the OS operates by default. I like my explorer windows just so, multiple lines of start bar, no hiding of system tray icons, My Computer on the desktop etc, etc, etc.

Maybe this is why I don't mind Vista as much as most since I need to spend several hours getting both "just so".

For the record, the XFCE Linux desktop is closest to what I use. I'll post a pic in the Desktops thread at some point.

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2008, 01:25:20 pm »
Honestly, I don't understand why there was such a bash on 2k. ME was terrible. That I will agree with whole heartedly. In fact, this would be the reason for windows ME - http://xkcd.com/323/

However Win2k was honestly fine. It ran with a lighter system footprint then XP for quite awhile and was deliciously patched when XP was feeling the viral assrape of it's birth. And 2k set the tone for everything good about XP. Once they fixed things which were wrong with XP, it was worthy to be called a primary operating system.

At this point, I don't feel much of a need to move over to vista from XP, myself, however we'll see in the future. Why change what isn't broken?

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2008, 04:20:24 am »
Other than the RAM requirements (which I really have no idea why they're there when you turn off the fancy stuff, and useless "protector things") the only real difference is DirectX 10..

Games are much prettier in DX10 mode vx DX9 mode.

And it was the exact same thing when XP first came out... The majority of the internet said it was a horrible mistake that should never have been created to begin with...

Personally, if Win98 SE still had driver support, and MS made a DX10 update for it, I'd probably still use that...

At least until 64 bit gets more driver support...

When I test fired 64 bit on my machine it was completely installed in less than 15 minutes... vs. 32-bit install of at least 30 minutes, lol.

Other than a few quirks (like not remembering some settings...) Vista has been more stable for me than XP was...

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2008, 03:34:23 am »
Sidenote:
Windows 8 beta is scheduled for release next year. My father is a Microsoft Technician and he gets all kinds of stuff like that. Vista is out for what 2 years and they already movin on.
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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2008, 04:30:37 am »
The beta was leaked ages ago cdwolf. I actually put the links on here. And it's Windows 7, not 8.

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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2008, 04:33:44 am »
No, I'm talking about windows 8, i already played around with it, it has a lot in common with mac, linux, solaris, etc. the only difference is it has a lot of holes just like vista did
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Re: Random Glitched Overlay in Premium Mode
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2008, 04:37:36 am »
The only MS release slated for next year is Windows 7 in christmas... I don't think your dad was paying much attention at work to not even know the name. Standard Microsoft employee I guess...

Windows 8, if it is even called that, there's only speculation rumours at the moment, however there are Microsoft job applications mentioning Windows 8, it only in the planning stage. Why would, and better yet, how would, Microsoft plan, develop, test, market and release an OS in 1 year's time, at either the same time, or earlier, than Windows 7 hmmmm?

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