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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2008, 01:32:02 am »
It would if you'd actually read it... after all, I do seem to be the only person here that explains the internal workings of Windows to make a point.  By explaining those inner workings, that somehow makes me less credible than someone that just says "vistas faster"?


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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2008, 01:37:08 am »
I did read it. It was very insightful. I feel I understand you better now.

In any case I lol'd after reading your post, because it looks liek you spent a lot of time writing it.

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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2008, 01:42:33 am »
Wow. Thanks, dude. Seriously. I don't usually get that kind of reply. I honestly do feel a need to educate the world but I often find it's in futility as most people just don't care. I've been following every version of Windows religiously ever since Windows 95 was released (and I was what, 10 years old?). Every new version of Windows, I was on like a kid during Christmas. Same thing with Vista, although I was a bit hesitant after reading that DRM paper. After using it for about a month and even Vista-izing my lifestyle (sorting everything into Vista's folders, trying to use Windows Media Player and IE), I got pure sick of it and went right back to XP. Now I'm on a religious crusade to stop Microsoft's plague of a crappy OS!

If nothing else, I think this may be the rise of Apple as the new computer leader. Mac OS X is a seriously great system from what I've seen, and is in a serious position to overtake PCs as the dominant platform, if Apple can just make a few key changes to their business policy. We'll see, though... but I think the days of Microsoft are numbered if they keep this Vista crap up.


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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2008, 01:50:24 am »
Eh I like FalconFour, posts amusing topics about vista and doesnt afraid of anybody.

Why would you try to use ie and media player? They sucked before, what made you think they would be any better now?

In any case: Your posts, I find them HIGHLY amusing to read.

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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2008, 01:59:12 am »
Hopefully by amusing you mean PBS-like educational with a side helping of Comedy Central-like Daily Show and Roast. ;)

I was using Media Player because I wanted to believe that Vista had actually made them more usable for both power users and newbies. It should be easy to use, yet powerful. Yet again, they failed, where, surprisingly, Apple wins with iTunes. I wasn't much a fan of iTunes, because of its memory usage and tendency to take over all my files. But unlike WMP, iTunes actually does a reasonable job of handling them - it, plus my iPod, make an incredible to-die-for combination of entertainment bliss. Plus, Apple got it right with iTunes Plus - they actually sell DRM-free downloads, as opposed to Microsoft! Hence furthering my opinion that Apple is going to be the new computer leader. If only I could afford a Mac - hence why I think Apple needs a little business decision change.

As for IE, well, I knew it sucked, but I thought I should be able to use it as well as I do Firefox. I would, too, if it had a few key things like "View Image" and "Copy Image Location", two right-click options I use habitually. Nope, they still don't have them, and there's no similar replacement either. Other than that, IE is practically guaranteed to work on almost any website (far more than Firefox, despite standards compliance in favor of Firefox). So back to Firefox and Foobar2000 it was for me (at the time). Why bother with Vista when its key components are junk? Oh, and don't even get me started on its built-in "DVD" creator... =P

(Oh... and I type fast, too. Almost as fast as I talk. :P)


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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2008, 02:01:01 am »
Your friends, I'm sorry for them.

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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2008, 02:04:51 am »
My offline friends, every one of them is also in a religious crusade to eliminate Vista, even though they, also, own Vista-class XP computers. :P

My MSN friends... well... I don't think I can relay the concept well enough online. At any rate, the Vista users I can think of are only using it because their new computer came with it and they like having a legal license for Windows (despite my urgings that XP is also legal). That, plus complacency and laze, have made it impossible (at least at the moment) to pry them back into XP. Hopefully, as frequent Hostfile users, my block on Vista can help accelerate that. ;)


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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2008, 02:11:09 am »
You crusade block, I foresee much hatred for it.

I like Hostfile, eh discriminates against vista and doesnt afraid of anybody.

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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2008, 02:20:15 am »
Oh, if only you could see inside it... but you can't because your OS fails. ;)

Let me help show you. If you'd like, I can offer you a hint in PM to get around the block. :P



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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2008, 02:48:07 am »
i wont lie, there is no way im reading that whole thing, especially at 4:45 am.  i did read some of it though.  mostly the opening and the closing.  if i wasnt about to go to bed, maybe i would read the whole thing. who knows?

but there were a few things i felt i should reply too, the first is this quote

"You probably hated XP because it was running on your slow, old PC - so you bought a new Vista PC and love it, because it has the specs to run the programs you were running with XP and do the things you were doing with XP."

no, my old pc was a pent 4 2.6 ghz, 1 GB, 200 GB storage with a 6600 in it....so ya, it wasnt that great....

then i installed vista on it and i ran on it for 6 months and preferred it over XP.  then i got my new computer and it blows me away cause ive got some nice stuff in their, what with my raid, my 1.5 TB storage, 8800GT (sli when i need it, but i have to disable it to dual screen) etc etc, i really dont think this is relevant so ill just move on. 

ok, lets do this 1 paragraph at a time started with the 3rd paragraph (the one where you actually started)

ok, so you basically did confirm what i said...instead of having to install stuff like in the past, now you have to uninstall/disable stuff.  ya, it comes with Fax stuff and voice recognition stuff etc etc....except you can turn all that stuff off.  yes, it does still eat up some hard drive space, but quite frankly, unless your still on a tiny ol 30 GB hdd, i dont think you should worry about it.

now, this one is about vista being slow on slow machines...this is a pretty moot argument if you ask me.  again, when XP came out people were like OMG YOU NEED 512 MB RAM TO MAKE IT RUN SMOOTH BLAH BLAH BLAH.   with the way ram is going, its only gonna be a few years till 4 GB is standard.  ever wonder why macs run smooth?  its not cause they are better with ram, its cause they force you to have more ram.  their low end stuff (iirc) is still at 2 GB which is usually high end for a pre built windows machine(though thats starting to change).  fact of the matter is, WE NEED MORE RAM.  i dont like macs at all, but its one thing they did right.  they gave people ram cause we USE IT. 

"Super Prefetch is just a fancy term to describe an extension to something XP already does - use the unused RAM for caching and preloading."

yes, it is an extension of something XP does.  im completely aware of that....so wait, how is XP better on this one?

i dont know what XP your installing to get it down to just 1.1 GB.  never in my life have i seen an XP install THAT tiny.

it might have been a bad stick...but pull it out, move it around, mess with it all i wanted to, it wouldnt work.  the same happened with a brand new RAM stick on my new pc (had to rma it).  it does indeed happen.  RAM goes bad.  kinda like how hard drives will EVENTUALLY die(in their case, the mechanics fail and the disk stops spinning).

how is vista not stable?  i cant even think of a time when i last had to do a hard shut down, force quit a program, or had any problems at all.  it was daily on XP (through out the life of an XP machine ive ever used).  and dont get started on that silly DRM stuff.  its basically all about high def media (aka blu ray) playing on a monitor with out hdcp. 

and "This is improved?"  yes, it is.  just cause you dont know your way around yet, doesnt mean it isnt improved.

ok, so programs dont actually lock up, but windows thinks they locked up.....but either way, we have the same effect.  that being, it sucks.

it was your fault for ever using IE or WMP.  but fact of the matter is, they are just as bad on XP so that point is moot.  firefox, vlc, winamp, etc etc...you get the idea.

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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2008, 03:24:50 am »
You know, i really enjoyed reading this thread. I like stupid people. Make me laugh :P

I'm not going to comment too much because i cant be bothered to argue with you; but basically FalconFour: You're Wrong (Yes i did use You're and not Your. OMG!!!!!!).

DRM

The trusted platfrom chip isn't used to look at your files at all. It is only used when you put a HD movies into your drive (eg. Bluray or HDDVD for the thickies who cant figure that out). In no way can it, or does it, look at your files to check if they're legal. For a start this is impossible to check unless everything has DRM on it, which it doesnt because AVI can't support any DRM and nor can MP3. Thats one of your points demolished into tiny insignificant pieces.

Downgrading

You also assume that all machines that come with Vista installed can be downgraded to XP. This isnt the case. It may be the case with desktop computers but try doing this on newer desktops or laptops. Its impossible. XP is out of date; it can't support some of the newer hardware. It's time to lie it down gently on the floor and then hit it repeatedly with a mallet!

Stability

I've had far less problems on Vista than I had with XP. For a start I can load Photoshop without it crashing. I can even load WMP now! Amazing isn't it.

Thats about all the points you made. The rest of it was just you monging out all over your keyboard. I do have to comment on your website though, made me laugh so much :P

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How can you not get into the US military. It really can't be that hard judging from the iteligance of the people in it that I've met.

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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2008, 03:31:11 am »
Why would you try to use IE and media player? They sucked before, what made you think they would be any better now?
Lets be fair, WMP 11 has matured from its pre-successors, IE on the other-hand is still crap, its too tightly integrated into Windows, (including Vista)

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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2008, 03:35:35 am »
matto1990: Woo! You make me LOL. I can actually SEE the wheels spinning from here! SO MUCH EFFORT put into that post, but no point made whatsoever, just a lot of smoke.

Now, would you like to take those personal bashes elsewhere or do I have to whistle for Pwntastic to come in here and clean up your act for you?  :D


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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2008, 03:40:10 am »
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You make me LOL.

Glad to pay you back for all the "LOL"s you gave me.

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do I have to whistle for Pwntastic to come in here and clean up your act for you?

Whistle all you like (Try and make a nice tune if you like). He's on his way anyway.

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Now, would you like to take those personal bashes elsewhere

Like where? As we're both members of this lovely site and there already a topic made, why not just stay here?

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Re: Why Windows Vista needs to keel over and die for the greater good.
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2008, 03:50:34 am »
You know, I hate the world. It's like someone whacked Smart over the head, stole his wallet, and sold it to Stupid.


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