Max Blocks available per song

[HelplessKid]

So my other thread got deleted with all that spam, so here's it once again.

i would like to see an adition ingame to be able to see the max blocks count that is available per song, so you can easily see who modified his songs and who plays fair. This is mostly the case for Mono, Mono Pro and Ninja Mono mode.

As i remember someone said you could actually use math to see how many blocks were available per song, but i dont see that. Following is a screen of the advanced stats from the website, if someone could explain me a way to see how many blocks are available for this song, i would really appreciate it.




Another point that was mentioned is, that there would be a need of a whole UI change to get this implemented. I dont think so, following a pic were two to three statistics could easily be implemented without the need to change the UI one bit, its just adding text, where there is already text, so that shouldnt be a big deal.



See that big red square ? There's more than enough space to add a count for the max blocks available for each song and the percentage of blocks hit. This definitely wouldnt mean a change of the whole UI.

[blue_h3x]

The method of using maths to work out the number of blocks only works for none-mone modes, see image below.


I collected 57 red blocks, which was 70% of the total, thus 57/0.7 = 81 red blocks in total.

As for the UI change, while yes it is a spot of wasted space which would be ideal for those stats. It might be a better idea just to skip the older score UI all together and use the newer online scores.

[Laserrobotics]

So my other thread got deleted with all that spam, so here's it once again.

My fault >.<

[HelplessKid]

So my other thread got deleted with all that spam, so here's it once again.

My fault >.<

No Problem, i mean there were at least 7 whole sites of spam threads and my old thread had only 2-3 replies, so no wonder it didnt stand out in between this spam


Ok, like i thought, you cant get the stats for Mono modes. And that was the whole point of my thread. And yeah the newer stats from the website are quite nice, but as you can see for Mono modes is still something missing to easily know hows cheating and who is not.

And the thing with the wasted space comes down, to it being hard work to implement this new UI into the game instead of taking the "cheap and easy" by just using the empty space.

I dont mind a new UI but i wouldnt mind the "cheap" solution, as long as there is something implemented along those lines to see who's cheating a little easier.

[Laserrobotics]

Yeah, I'd like at the very least a total blocks collected for mono.

[UncFester]

I'm not so sure a "total blocks" count would be helpful for indicating cheating.

For example, there was a challenge in the Steam AudioSurf forum on this song:

Dubstep Killed Rock 'n' Roll -- by Ephixa.

The challenger posted a video on YouTube getting the high score for Elite Ninja Mono (Ironmode).

I have the song and gave it a shot. No chance! His video shows a multitude of blocks to collect which simply don't exist on my version of the tune. The graph for his version looks almost identical to my own, yet they simply don't come out the same. His video was proof that he was not cheating at all -- his high score was obtained in that video session.

But, yes -- I would like to see a total block count -- but just to compare. It's not going to do a thing (in my opinion) to reflect upon cheating.

[HelplessKid]

The thing is videos are easily fakeable.
One easy example, i use stereomix on a song, with another song, that would give me way more blocks than everyone else. I record the video for the run and afterwards i just lay the sound of the original song of the unedited version of the version i played. What you get is a song with way more points that looks almost exactly like the orginimal and in the video you couldnt see or hear any difference.

Alot of songs people play are played by more than 10-20 people, and with this max block count, you have a comparison. If the first one has like 200 blocks max and the 19 after him only 150, you can easily see that he definitely modified the song. Its true this wont work for some unknown songss, or songs not many people play, but i would say for most songs, this would work quite nicely.

[Laserrobotics]

There are many cases where the .ash for a song seems to have multiple variants, especially when the song itself has multiple variants.  It's not entirely impossible for there to be only a single representation of a variant on a scoreboard; indeed, I have been in that situation myself at least a couple times.

[blue_h3x]

The codec/bitrate used can cause such variations in a track shape even form the same source (ie CD). It's not an entirely straight forward assumption to make that different number of blocks means cheating.

[UncFester]

The codec/bitrate used can cause such variations in a track shape even form the same source (ie CD). It's not an entirely straight forward assumption to make that different number of blocks means cheating.

That's exactly the thing I was getting at!

My first Brutus achievement was accomplished through re-ripping the song from CD at a lower bitrate.  The track was virtually the same (although it was more "bumpy") but the number of blocks increased enough for me to "win." That was two years ago.

Another way is to use mp3gain. There are many ways available to tweak a song's track layout and still be technically "legal."

Faking a video seems a little far-fetched however. This is the one I was talking about earlier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wI0t-7-coI

It's legit.

[blue_h3x]

Poor audio quality does lead to a faster ride, which is where I pretty much cripple myself with using FLAC.

[HelplessKid]

Has anyone the time and motivation to try out 1-3 songs in comparison, so play each song with like 96kbps post the score and than the same song with 320kbps or flac ?

[blue_h3x]

I have, and it produced odd results.
Note: this was carried out on a single song, MP3's were produced from the FLAC file.

FLAC: 201
MP3 180kbps: 185
MP3 64kbps: 184

Though this would need to be repeated on a range of songs for any hypothesis to be proved.
Although it did remind me why I listen to my music in FLAC over MP3.

[HelplessKid]

So i normally i play all my songs as flac, today i converted my flac files into 64kbps mp3s.
The point difference between these songs witht he change in quality is like 30-60%+ with the 64kbps.

The other thing i noticed is, the track map can totally change with this. I had a song that went upward over the whole time and after changing it to 64kbps the song suddenly was a total downward song.

With this there is like absolutely no possibilty to detect cheaters. Except the time is totally different.
I am a bit lazy to attech screenshots right now because its kinda early and i need to go to bed, but i guess everyone can test this for himself.

[EclipseCookie]

so far i found out i found out for only one song what is max blocks for the song

The Interstellar Medium by IAYD (by far i know: 104 red blocks)